Welcome to the latest LIC review! This time, we’ll take a look at another investment company that tends to go unnoticed by most investors – Diversified United Investments (DUI).
It’s a little bit different than the other LICs I’ve reviewed so far, and you’ll soon see why. But I think it’s also a solid choice for income focused investors who want a reliable and growing dividend stream.
And just in case you haven’t realised by now, these reviews are for interest and entertainment sake only. These are in no way mandatory items for your sharemarket shopping cart! OK, let’s get started…
DUI was founded in 1991, and is the sister company of Australian United Investment Company (AUI).
And just like AUI, the major shareholder today is The Ian Potter Foundation – again, a beneficiary of the wealth created by successful stockbroker, businessman and philanthropist, Sir Ian Potter.
DUI was listed on the ASX in 1991, and today owns an investment portfolio worth around $1 billion. That portfolio is mostly a mix of Australian shares, but also contains international shares (ETFs) – more on that later.
DUI is conservatively managed and run at very low cost, similar to AUI, with investment decisions made by the board of directors.
In DUI’s words:
“The Company’s objective is to continue to provide shareholders with dividends and capital appreciation over the longer term within acceptable levels of risk.”
“The investment philosophy of the Company is to take a medium to long term view and to invest in Australian equities, listed property trusts, and international equities. Investments may also be made from time to time in interest bearing securities or convertible notes.”
Essentially, DUI is a buy-and-hold style investment company, so they take a long term approach. They don’t sell often, so the portfolio is managed in a tax efficient way.
DUI prides itself on paying reliable and growing dividends. In last year’s results, the Chairman noted that DUI is one of only a small handful of companies on the ASX to have maintained or increased dividends every year for the last 27 years.
And the same as AUI, the company uses a small amount of gearing, typically held at around 10% of the portfolio. That’s not common among LICs, but the interest rates are attractive and it’s only a small amount of debt.
DUI has an interesting and somewhat unusual portfolio. First, it owns shares in around 40-50 medium and large-sized Aussie dividend paying companies.
Next, DUI holds a basket of international shares, which is currently 16% of the portfolio. This is in the form of index funds, sector-specific funds and actively managed funds. Let’s break that down a bit…
Its largest index holdings are Vanguard US Total Market and Vanguard All-World Ex-US.
Then it holds an Information Technology index fund and a Global Healthcare index fund. Clearly, DUI is making specific long term bets on these sectors. And lastly, it has invested in a few actively managed Asian/Emerging market funds.
Here’s the portfolio as a picture…
As we can see, while it’s an unusual portfolio, there’s a reasonable level of diversification. Having said that, around 80% of the portfolio is in its top 25 holdings, which you can see listed here.
What you’ll notice is its current largest holding is not actually a bank! In fact, it’s health giant CSL, followed by toll-road operator Transurban. And there’s many more on the list that are dominant cash generating businesses, which is what we like to see.
But it’s still fair to say that DUI is a bit more concentrated than the likes of Argo and AFIC. Some people will find the built-in allocation to international shares attractive, and others won’t. Either way, it’s a point of difference, adds to diversification and can help performance at certain times.
Here is the performance for DUI over the last ten years from their 2018 Annual Report. This is after fees and after tax, but not including the value of franking credits…
As the table shows, DUI has had decent performance compared to the index. In fact, DUI has been able to outperform the index over each time period shown.
But what about before 2008?
Well, trawling through the old annual reports on the company’s rather frugal website, shows DUI also outperformed between 2003-2008, and between 1998-2003. So that’s at least 20 years of very solid performance. All measured after tax and fees.
It’s pretty clear DUI is not interested in showing off its historic performance with fancy marketing (maybe it should?) or tales of wonderful stock selection. Instead, it keeps plugging away with its investment strategy and delivering results for its faithful shareholders.
Now we’ll turn to the most important factor of all…
My favourite investing metric to look at is the income stream delivered to shareholders. So let’s see how DUI has done on this front.
Below shows the dividends paid every year since 1992-93…
Pretty impressive!
DUI is now paying shareholders 5 times the level of dividends as it was back in 1992-93.
Using our trusty compound growth calculator, let’s see what that tells us…
DUI has grown its dividend at a rate of 6.6% per annum, over the last 25 years. And inflation during that time was 2.5% per annum.
So DUI has done an incredible job of providing growing income to shareholders! And as you can see, there was no dividend cuts over the period, including the GFC.
To be clear, I wouldn’t expect the same level of dividend growth going forward. But I do believe DUI will continue to deliver increasing dividends over the long term, which grow faster than inflation.
2019 looks set to be another good year, with DUI increasing its half year dividend. Even if the end of year dividend is the same, that’s another year of dividend growth for shareholders.
There’s always debate over whether you should focus on total return or income. Income focused investing is often not the trade-off it’s made out to be.
If you’re like me, you’re still investing for a solid total return! And it’s not all about yield. The focus is a decent income which grows at a good rate over time. It’s just that you stop caring so much about what happens to share prices.
Instead, you simply focus on how much cash your investments are earning. Combine that with regular purchasing, and watch your dividend income climb ever-upwards! That sounds more like a business owner and less like a speculator to me.
DUI is a low cost LIC like the others we’ve covered. And it’s internally managed, so as it grows, its expense ratio falls over time.
During the last 12 months, the MER (Management Expense Ratio) was 0.12%. Once the fees from the international ETFs and managed funds are included, the total MER is 0.15%.
That’s very low, considering that includes all underlying fund fees and DUI is a fraction of the size of AFIC, for example.
And like AUI, there’s no analysts or expensive research teams. The board of directors simply meets to discuss the portfolio and make decisions each month.
Now, that might sound off-putting, but I think the results speak for themselves. It hasn’t hindered DUI’s ability to invest well and deliver strong returns for shareholders over the long term.
Probably because of its low key nature and lack of fancy marketing, DUI almost always trades at a discount. We certainly can’t put the reason down to poor performance!
Anyway, this means you can buy shares in DUI for less than the value of its portfolio. I talk in-depth about this factor here – LIC Premiums and Discounts.
DUI tends to trade at a discount of between 0% and 10%. So for those interested in buying shares in the company, this could simply be seen as a bonus. You’re buying into a portfolio for less than its value.
But of course, DUI could have poor performance going forward, so the discount won’t help much. Either way, the point is, don’t get cute with it. If you like DUI, then simply be happy that it’s less popular.
DUI has a great track record of performance over a couple of decades.
More importantly, that dividend history is very attractive. And how much DUI has been able to grow dividends for shareholders since it listed 25+ years ago, is also impressive.
For me, DUI gets points for not trying to paint an overly rosy picture in its results. The numbers are always shown net of all tax and fees and are simply laid out for all to see.
In addition, DUI is a qualified Listed Investment Company in the eyes of the ATO. So shareholders are entitled to a tax deduction for any dividend which is sourced from a capital gain paid out by DUI, as well as the franking credits. More info here.
Also, regularly being able to purchase shares at a discount to NTA is handy for keen buyers. And the allocation to international shares could be seen as a plus in terms of diversification.
There’s a flip-side of course. The amount of international shares could change over time, and has in the past. Many years ago, DUI used to have a small amount of international shares, but then sold out.
But now it looks like this will become a longer term part of the portfolio, with DUI having increased its allocation from 10-15% to 15-20%.
Many times, it’s simply a case of trusting the manager. I think DUI has proven itself a reliable investment company over the long term, but it’s up to each investor to decide what’s best for them.
Finally, sometimes it’ll be hard to buy shares in DUI because it has lower liquidity. That means, on average, not many shares change hands each day. This is likely because DUI is less well known, and a good portion of the company is held by long term holders, like The Ian Potter Foundation, directors and family descendants.
Out of transparency, we do not own shares in DUI. But would I talk you out of buying it? Absolutely not!
Overall, I think DUI is a great LIC for dividend focused long term investors.
It’s very low cost, has a fantastic history of income and growth, and its portfolio also provides some international diversification.
DUI is a quiet achiever in a financial world that is fixated on short-term returns and flashy, sometimes deceptive marketing.
At the time of writing, DUI trades on a dividend yield of 3.8%, or 5.4% including franking credits. That’s a good starting point given this includes low yielding international shares and such a strong dividend growth history.
While markets will rise and fall over the decades ahead, I expect DUI will keep doing what it does best: Provide attractive long term returns and a reliable, growing income stream for shareholders.
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Thanks mate!
Hi Dave. With the limited volumes the volatility of this stock (and AUI) seem to be significant. Any thoughts on the good or bad of this. Also what buying strategy is suggested to not overpay for the stock.
Cheers
Hey Murray, be careful where you’re getting your pricing data from, sometimes it’s a bit misleading. It doesn’t seem any more volatile than the others to me checking different time frames and also the daily price history from my brokerage account – https://www.google.com/search?q=asx+dui+price+history&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU705AU737&oq=asx+dui+price+history&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l5.4507j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 – but in general, I would simply keep an eye on the NTA as released each month and avoid paying above that price.
Thanks Dave. I like and own some DUI and have also put it into my son’s portfolio. I like to international aspect of DUI.
Cheers Jason, thanks for reading.
I have just had a look at their SP performance over 5 year and 10 year periods. They have performed better than other mains ones.
5 year 10 year
AFI 5.2% 10.4%
ARG 5.9% 10.8%
BKI 4.4% 9.6%
DUI 8% 12%
MLT 6.4% 11.3%
WHF 6.2% 11.8%
Thanks for this Jason. Impressive figure from DUI.
Yep DUI has had a pretty good run – most of the outperformance has been in the last 5 years and has likely been because of it holding international shares.
I also like the diversification with international etfs and that it still provide 100% franking even with these included. Will def be on the consideration for my next buy.
DUI is a little different, but interesting in its own way – cheers Ben 🙂
Awesome review Dave.
For someone who wants to live of dividends and never sell, but who also wants the diversification of international equities, this LIC could be a great choice.
Thanks Dave
Thanks very much John, glad you enjoyed it! That dividend track record is a thing of beauty.
Nice review, one to consider for my investments in the future.
I love their web site, loads in about 0.001 sec 😉
Haha me too Andrew – nothing wrong with keeping it simple!
Hmm – a very interesting asset mix.
Their international allocation seems unnecessarily complex and overweighted towards the US. I wonder what the rationale behind this is, since they could have achieved something similar by buying a world quality mix like QMIX or IWLD with a separate EM thrown in.
I’ve not heard of Northscape, their EM fund choice, but it looks like it’s backed up by solid long term performance. I also like that they’re not overweighted towards China like most other EM ETFs are. Their holding concentration worries me a little though – 39 stocks vs VGE’s 1070. But I suppose it wouldn’t matter too much considering it makes up only 1% of the total portfolio.
I agree that there is more international holdings than needed. But I don’t think they’re going for precise global diversification – they would be targeting long term performance, hence the bets on healthcare and tech specifically and some active managers.
But I wouldn’t overthink their choice of international funds. Even if the US index was their only fund, it’s still only 16% of the whole portfolio and should provide attractive long term returns and diversification. So I don’t really see an ‘overweighting’ problem.
My view is DUI and its directors probably know more about investing than I ever will, so I guess it’s a case of trusting them and accepting the outcome, or shying away because we don’t feel comfortable with the holdings.
I am currently half way though ‘the little book of common investing’, 2017 updated version by John c Bogle. Highly recommend for beginner investors. US concentrate obviously but applicable to anyone. Bogle’s prediction for the US stock market over the next ten years is 4-5%. He supports this projection with data. Very interesting! Anyway anyone investing in the US market should keep this in mind. Unless they’re intention is to hold indefinitely.
Fantastic book John, have recommended here previously. Bogle’s return estimates are simple to use and pretty reasonable in my view – most people overcomplicate things as usual. For long term investors, a regular buying approach is still the most sensible thing to do over 10, 20, 30, 50+ years.
Yep definitely!
Rather than just having a simple long-term strategy of sit and forget, The majority of people are driven by fear and greed and therefore buy and sell at the worst times. But, I guess most of us are hard wired to behave in this manner. Which is why these blogs are so good ????
Very true, that hard-wiring affects all of us from time to time. If this blog helps, then that’s fantastic!
Great review Dave, I love learning more about these LICs, and DUI definitely looks like one I’d be interested in. I do love seeing those dividend charts – there aren’t many individual companies that can boast such a steady, increasing run of dividends, and for those few that have you usually pay a massive premium!
Keep the great reviews coming.
Cheers, Frankie
Thanks for that Frankie! Haha totally, I could stare at those dividend growth charts all day 😉
Hi Dave. I was wondering if there is Manager Risk that I should consider. Millner family (MLT, BKI, SOL) and Ian Potter Foundation (AUI, DUI). I could potentially just buy Millner managed shares.
This also kinda leads into portfolio construction. Like most here the temptation is to add just one more fund ????. Although you mention this in some of your reviews groupings of funds into similar types would be useful. Eg. Large diverse LICs or smaller specialised LICs. This kind of grouping may help stop me splitting hairs !! I have VAS, ARG, MLT (as my large funds) and BKI and SOL (as specialised) however I am tempted by DUI (as its performance is ahead of the group for the past 15 years). I am also hung up on my ARG shares (that I started in 2012). From ShareSight Argo seems to have underperformed VAS for almost every time period in the last 15 years !! And I’m not keen to buy much more of it.
PS. Yes I am looking at SOL so a review would be awesome (obviously) but I do understand that’s its not a LIC and yet another options for your readers.
PPS. I just want to say what am awesome site/resource you have created here.
Best wishes Murray
Thanks for the feedback Murray, great to hear you like the blog 🙂
With all LICs there is manager risk. That is perhaps amplified if holding all Millner family influenced vehicles. Though considering the extensive and impressive track record most people including myself are comfortable investing with them, but that’s a personal choice. Potter Foundation are a large charity shareholder, they are not the manager. So it’s debatable whether holding AUI and DUI is higher risk than just holding one of them.
Definitely lean towards having less funds than more, I think is the best option.
The ones I’ve covered so far I consider all basically part of the same group – diversified Australian shares. Though it’s true that some are more diversified than others. Keeping it simple, I lump them together as similar. So I think it makes sense to have a couple if going the LIC route, but definitely not all of them!
I will review Soul Pattinson at some point because I’m also a fan of the company, even though I sold my holding not long ago which I mentioned in this post.
As for Argo, yes it has underperformed VAS. VAS hasn’t been around for 15 years, but the point remains it has underperformed the index. Some figures I’ve seen show that resources/mining has outperformed over this 15 year period (China boom). So because the older LICs don’t hold a lot of resources companies (less predictable/reliable dividends, this is a drag on performance when resources outperforms. Same goes for property trusts which have outperformed recently.
This is the risk with LICs and it may well continue, and not just for Argo, with all of them. Nobody knows the future, so that’s the risk you take. It depends if you’re happy with Argo for other reasons, such as its lower weighting to banks and mining, more reliable income stream, conservative nature or being able to buy at a discount to NTA. Some investors will care a great deal about performance vs the index, others not so much, as long as it fits their needs/goals. Again, that’s for you to decide. If not, VAS or another index fund will prove a great choice over the long run, just be mindful the dividends will be lumpy that’s all.
Hope I covered everything!
Another satisfying read. Thank you.
Own and hold a little DUI and will add to it in certain circumstances.
I especially like their reporting style – it seems more straightforward, plain English, open and honest measures compared to others (like my wife’s WAM portfolio holdings as the worst example)
Hi Dave,, if going the LIC,s way and buying several different ones … would you try to have equal holdings in each company..
Thanks
Hey Rabs. That’s certainly a fine way to do it I think. Some people put more in their ‘favourites’ but it’s really personal choice, rough equal weightings is fine and as you can see from this post, my portfolio is a bit like that.
Thank for yr reply Dave..
I feel really comfortable with LIC’s for investing .. suits my situation..
Do you think now is a good time to invest.. I see all the PT LIC’s are at discount at the moment..
Thanks again..
No worries mate, hope it helps. I think now is a good a time as any to be honest. I don’t try to time the market because I don’t think anyone can do it consistently so it’s largely a waste of time and energy.
Regular investing makes the most sense to me, the prices will average out over time and the long term result should work out just fine. In case you missed it, I wrote a pretty hefty post on how to approach investing for the long term and dealing with the market here.
Thanks again Dave..
I like the keep it simple strategy…
Looking forward to the MIR review coming soon……
I’ve been a happy holder & adding to my holding regularly over the last 25 years. It is now my largest shareholding & main source of my present income in retirement. Always a solid & reliable performer. Rus
Thanks for sharing that Rus. 25 years, that’s fantastic!
DUI is looking pretty expensive unfortunately. I was keen to pick some up. I quite like they have international exposure!
Hey II. Yeah it’s gone up a fair bit this year and now has a lower yield. Given the lower yield and some international, DUI should have a bit higher dividend growth over time vs its brother AUI.